Head-to-head: Sprint Instinct versus Apple iPhone

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I stumbled across this trying to find a way to apply a custom ring-tone to the Instinct recently.

Had an iPhone for awhile, but the GPS I rely on is abysmal in comparison. Not only from a network standpoint, but the Instict has TRUE GPS, not this Google-maps pho'GPS. Despite, or perhaps in spite of the numerous and blind zealots who articles such as this one truly illustrate ~ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SuVbrm_GqhM ~ I'm not a blind follower. I rely on the technology to speak for me, and some of you here need to pay better attention to the Pro's and Con's list of anything that isn't made by your Lord Apple.

While I'll be the first to admit that Apple has done an awesome job with its GUI (could give a shit if it’s an OS or not, it IS a GUI) the V2 of the iPhone is still on the short bus as far as PHONE's go. It's a toy. A well made, VERY well produced and marketed toy. It will be here after the Instinct is gone, thanks to Apple's infinite advertising budget that has sway over you, but I will tell you that even if it was made viable over Sprint's (clearly superior) network, I would not be drawn back to the device even in its V2 stage.

Just ask your friends with their toy phone to text you an image, or send you a file; or open a word doc! It's a good thing "...there's an app for that." cuz your gunna need them to perform simple functions of which actual cell phone users, no matter what device they have, have enjoyed for years. That's assuming the device can do it at all.

Along those lines, consider the fact that it took Apple a V2 release before they got their precious product to speak properly to a Microsoft Exchange server. This again is fairly common cell phone behavior in today’s business world. V2 works great now... sadly you are restricted to having a single account and Calendar if you go that route. Oddly enough, their phone actually works better then Entourage at this point!

The best thing to come of this is that Apple will not stand alone in this new and exciting field of technological competition. That is good for all of us, because if we were to leave it to the zealots, only few of us would ever realize what we were missing.

I will say this though... a whole hell'of'a lot easier to add ringtones to the iPhone. So if all you need is some bling, candy games, maybe raising the iStock of your favorite company, or in need of some real viable applications, such as the "more cowbell" application, go iPhone all the way!! Otherwise, try something else. Anything else. Hell, even the poor Blackberry rejects have a phone that is more interesting in its native vernacular then that toy phone!

Apple has yet to mature in this market. Good first (two) attempts, but I’m holding out for something better. Go V3! I hear it will allow you to have a virtual dance with Apple’s cofounder that ALL the judges will love!

ps... now for some purely juvenile chatter; suck-it zealots! Go buy and Apple Wheel! Zune rules; I hope you didn’t buy an AIR too?! Oh, and you Apple is made by Intel! Ha!! I hate zealots of all shapes and sizes *mumbles* *coughs* *laughs*

You are correct that not every phone is capable of GPS. However, there are free apps that can be downloaded that make the PALM devices GPS capable. In regard to the Simply Everything plan, you really aren't paying for the GPS feature. This is an included feature, while through AT&T, T-Mobile and Verizon, you pay up to $10.00 extra a month plus your web connect MRC. Hey, my phone is not EVDO and can't recieve the Sprint TV, but the screen is too small to really watch anything without hurting my eyes anyway. I guess What I'm sayin is figure a way to fix the problem instead of complaining.

I am happy to see the innovation in the industry, but the iPhone is clearly a much higher quality device with a more intuitive, richer set of applications. It seems that buying the Instinct would be disappointing in the long run.

Quality: The iPhones case is made of glass and metal. The glass is highly scratch resistant and features a higher resolution screen.

Applications: The iPhone features full html browsing and mail, a better music player, and a better viewing experience for videos downloaded or transferred through itunes. Finally, with the iPhone, you can download great applications for free with its open source community backing.

The only battle I see here is between the networks. Sprint is supposed to have a little better coverage. Boy I would love to see the iPhone work across all the networks.

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You know what I find so funny about these comments? All the Sprint Haters think they are so cutting edge! If you really look at the situation Ma Bell is spoon feeding them their technology......

I find it funny all these techies are entranced at the shiny commercials of Ma Bell and the glam of the iPhone.

If your looking for a company that is motivated to providing new telecom alternatives than I would go with Sprint (its cheaper too!).

I have the simply everything plan with sprint and i have had a palm treo 755...guess what? i pay for gps but i can't get it. Why? because only the blackberry(s) and the instinct are gps capable. Found that out today...so sprint is sending me the instinct to replace my treo. We'll see how it rates.

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Apple is a company. Mac OS X is, a, well, with no pun intended, an OS. iMac, Macbook, Mac Pro, etc. are computers made by Apple that run on Mac OS X.

Apple is a corporation.

Mac OS/X is an Operating System.
The next time try to put someone in their place, at least do it properly. Besides, its more correct to refer to the whole computer as "an apple" than to refer to the OS as apple.

Why in the heck would you need a 5mp camera on a phone. More Pixels don't mean a better picture. 5mp is only better if the picture is to be blown up larger than a 17" monitor or printed as a photo. The stupid thing won't have a zoom (digital maybe) which equals LESS RESOLUTION and I could go on and on. so why would anyone bother putting a camera on a phone that takes a picture that will eat up 2-3Mb per photo?

crazy..

Spare me the lame-ness of wi-fi on a phone. If I'm in a wi-fi area I might as well have a real experience and use a PC.

Oh yeah.. good luck with iPhone and downloading music. 1. you can ONLY do it via wi-fi and 2. thanks to Mac's inability to give the user the full experience you can't move music from your phone to your Mac.

Oh yeah... but with my phone I can use it as a modem and connect to it (without wires even via bluetooth) and use my laptop at the 1Mb speed and not have to be near wi-fi or pay t-mobile $7 just to surf while I'm having a $5 Starbucks coffee.

Apple is an OS.

The Apple OS is very stable but that is really easy to do when you limit the user experience so much.

Are Appleheads so blinded that they have to rely on "Rumored Possibilities" to justify that they paid $500+ and THOUSANDS of dollars in multi-year commitments to "use" AT&T slow network? Well if that's the best the can due, I can start a rumor too! The Instinct v.2 will have a 100GB Solid State drive, a 50GzH processor, run on 5G technology, have a 3D Holographic Heads up Display, be thought controlled, drive you to work, pay your bills for you, dispense free cash out the side of the unit and fit on your wrist. Oooh!...Wake up people!

My boss has an Iphone and I have a Sprint Touch. We go everywhere together across the country. I have service 50% more places than he does. His phone is worthless if he doesn't have service. I very rarely lose Sprint service, and when I do, I'm automatically switched to Verizon or some other carrier. My phone still works, his Iphone is dead in the water. When looking at the 2 as a PHONE... Iphone loses every time. I only know because I see it every day and am constantly loaning my phone to my boss. Oh and when he's in service his battery is usually dead, strike 2. I can swap mine out.... he's screwed. All the other crap doesn't matter because if you don't have service, you might as well carry an IPOD around.

Wow its amazing that you work for a company you don't believe in. This means that you are eiter disloyal to the company that enables you to put food on your table or simply have no values.

There is no such thing as a free lunch in Sprint land. Take it from me, I work for them. Oh, and by the way, I carry an iPhone.

GPS on Sprint devices is accessible for navigation, but the app is chatty (to the point of distracting), unreliable, and Java-based (which is to say utter garbage). And it requires an additional monthly subscription.

The In-Stink will put up some talking points on EVDO, subsidized pricing, and video capabilities next to the (older) iPhone, but with it's smaller screen, unproven OS, and Sprint's abysmal customer service record, it will still be playing second fiddle.

iPhone is not that original. It is a rip-off as well. Try to be open minded about new products and competition and not just spout out mindless iPhone propaganda.

What do you mean no chat app... Are you referring to AIM? It will have all the chat apps preloaded. You will be able to load videos on the Instinct for view. No need to worry about battery life, the Instnct will come with 2 REMOVABLE batteries, 5+ hours each. Lastly, You will be able to load 3rd party apps.

Has anyone noticed how all of this stuff they say the iPhone 2.0 will have (besides 3G) is all speculation. All this 5mp camera talk and stuff is just stuff iPhone slaves assume their master steve jobs will deliver to them. One thing i'll give to apple though, they make the best computers hands down.

"3G of any flavor is SLOWER than wi-fi. Period."

Really??

Wifi: Download 1016 Upload 321

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Sprint Rev A: Download 1262 Upload 517

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In the same area I might add! ;-)

3G of any flavor is SLOWER than wi-fi. Period.

1xRTT

1x (single-carrier) Radio Transmission Technology

The first in a family of cdma2000 1x digital wireless standards designed to extend and replace the IS-95 CDMA standard. 1xRTT is sometimes referred to as a "2.5G" standard.

Compared to the IS-95 CDMA technology it replaces, 1xRTT offers increased network voice capacity. This benefit requires support on both the base station (tower) and handset (phone). If everyone using a given tower has a 1xRTT phone, twice as many people can use that tower at the same time, compared to the old IS-95 standard.

1xRTT also offers much faster data speeds. The initial release - release 0 (zero) - supports data speeds peaking at 144 kbps. Typical real-world speeds are closer to 60-80 kbps.

A second release of 1xRTT was planned - release A - which doubled data rates at 288 kbps peak. Many carrier chose to skip 1xRTT release A, however, and move directly to 1xEV-DO.

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1xEV-DO

(EV-DO)

Part of a family of CDMA2000 1x digital wireless standards. 1xEV-DO is a "3G" CDMA standard. EV-DO originally stood for "EVolution, Data-Only", but recently is also referred to as "EVolution, Data-Optimized".

EV-DO provides data rates over 10 times faster than 1xRTT, the previous data technology for CDMA networks.

Unlike other "1x" standards, EV-DO only addresses data - not voice. It requires a dedicated slice of spectrum, separate from voice networks using standards such as 1xRTT.

There are currently two main versions of 1xEV-DO: "Release 0" and "Revision A".

Release 0 is the original version, and the first to be widely deployed. Rel. 0 offers data rates up to 2.4 mbps, averaging 300-600 kbps in the real world. This is much faster than the 50-80 kbps typically offered by 1xRTT technology. Rel. 0 data rates are identical to 1xEV-DV Revision C.

Revision A integrates most of the faster data technology from 1xEV-DV Revision D, and improves latency. These enhancements allow features such a VoIP and video calling.

Although EV-DO does not include voice capability natively, Rev. A is fast enough to support VoIP technology at service levels equal or better to 1xRTT voice technology. This may be a future upgrade path for CDMA carriers if EV-DV development remains stalled.

In terms of data speed and general technology evolution, the closest equivalent to EVDO for GSM/WCDMA networks would be HSDPA.

1xEV-DO is based on a technology initially known as "HDR" (High Data Rate) or "HRPD" (High Rate Packet Data), developed by Qualcomm. The international standard is known as IS-856.

3G = EVDO Rev 0 and Rev A
4G = WiMax (or in AT&T and VzW's case, LTE)

The "G" is not a network in and of itself. It stands for Generation, as in 3rd Generation or 4th Generation. It's a term used to differentiate between the inherint limitations and capabilties between the various WIRELESS TECHNOLOGIES!

AT&T's 3G network will be Rev 0 - Faster than EDGE, slower than Rev A.

Gee...care to say where you work? 100 MILLION TO PROMOTE? Hop aboard the clue train pal...

Let's face it WiFi hot spots are limited in both range and speed and the "new" ATT 3G network is just flat out even worse for coverage. Purchasing a phone with such supposedly high end data capabilities and only being able to use them in a limited area - stupid. I mean how do you plan on using that great 5MP camera on a device without great network connectivity - good luck sending those photos when you take them. You are going to need to buy that extra long cable accessory just to offload - call it your 3G cable. LOL.

Lets see: Vision, Evdo, Evdo-Rev A, WiMax
There are 3 flavors of 3G, ranging from 230kps to 1.5mbps and the proclaimed up to 4mbps w/wimax. So, your wrong. 3G does not mean EVDO only.

Everyone keeps going off about gaming and the tye-phone.. Remember back to those all in one audio systems (turn table/cassette/radio/speakers all built into one?) they were just ok but that's about it. Same as the iPod/PSP/DSLite wanna-be. People keep talking about this phone like it's going to make you live longer but keep bowing down to the apple gods. It will never do everything better. It will only just do. I'll stick to my PSP. I'll stick to my creative labs 40gb zen and I'll stick to my Evdo-A when I'm 100 miles from the nearest Flyin' J truck stop.. WiFi isnt going to do you much good.

Nuff said....

i really wanted the instinct to be an iphone competitor.

the problems i see are:

1. No Chat app. Iphone 1 doesn't have one either and that is why I haven't purchased one yet. Iphone 2, however, will probably have it.

2. Not sure, but I don't think you can load videos to view. They have the sprint tv, but that is just fluff. I don't need a phone carrier to feed me content. I just want to have a video to watch, if I am stuck somewhere.

Other than that, I like the instinct. I can do without wifi, if it has evdo. I am concerned about battery life. 1000mah is not very much. I am also concerned about being able to get third party apps. I like streaming music, but if sprint is trying to sell it to me, why should they let me stream it over their data network?

Now correct me if I am wrong, but I believe I read the Instinct is going to be cheaper than the iPhone when it launches, plus the fact when people talk about the iPhone2 what makes you think the iPhone2 is going to be cheaper than the Instinct?? AT&T already said they wont change their $100 plan that gives unlimited talk to compete with Sprints $100 plan that give you unlimited talk, data, and text. So what makes you think AT&T will make the iPhone2 cheaper lol. Plus the fact all you people that have the first iPhone are in contract so then you gotta do an upgrade and renew your contract for another 2 years. Cost efficency right now I would say is on the Sprint side of things. By the way talking about GPS, pretty much all of Sprint's Smart Phones have GPS in them just turn it on and go get google maps for your phone and your set with a free GPS as long as you have the data plan which well with AT&T you have to pay extra for, but with Sprint its all covered under one flat rate plan.

On Sprint EVDO REV A

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You don't know what you're talking about, "3G is the same as EVDO"... 3G is basically a more reliable (as oppose to 2G) faster connection for moblie wireless, EVDO is a mobile broadband internet access which runs over the 3G network. That's like saying 3G is the same as a HSDPA connection. You need a 3G device to access EVDO!

There are many touch screen phone that are functional without "multitouch" which can zoom, rotate, scroll and navigate the UI easily, so you're basically saying touch screens aren't functional without multitouch, that's very ignorant.

Wi-Fi is only as fast as the connection you hook it to. That can be anywhere up to 50 megabits per sec., but most often 1 Mbps. In most cases I get a steady 1 to 2 Mbps on EVDO REV-A.

WiFi has limitations. First off, you have to be near a hot-spot. Also, it's not unusual to find that even though you can connect, the hot-spot is over utilized, meaning you get very poor download speeds. I've found that in almost every airport I visit that offers "free" WiFi, it's so over used that it's next to worthless.

Right now I am 40 floors up in the Los Angeles area, here is my current connection speed: http://www.dslreports.com/im/50419067/7611.png

First, EVDO/3G is not faster than Wifi.

Edge network is very much available in LA and San Fran, which is what the iPhone uses when wifi isn't available. Not extremely fast, but usable when on the go. The next gen will have wifi AND 3G. 3G is basically the same thing as EVDO.

3G will be much faster than the old 2.5G Edge network; however, Wifi still blows EVDO and 3G out of the water. I would rather have both.

The big deal about multi-touch? It is the very reason that an all-touch-screen phone can be functional. You can zoom, rotate, scroll, and navigate the UI very easily with a touchscreen sans stylus. It's kinda what makes the iPhone a big deal.

Simply stating some of the known and unknown features of the new iPhone.

3G, 3rd party apps, and the app store are certainly coming in the next month or two.

GPS, 5MP camera, and video chat are rumored possibilities that will more than likely be implemented. And a lot of people are buzzing online about these possibilities. Seems pretty relevant to the story.

http://www.informationweek.com/blog/main/archives/2008/04/iphone_reports.html

Yes, both Apple and ATT have stated that a new 3G iPhone would be released in 2008. Apple has also stated that Microsoft Exchange Push email will be available in June along with 3rd party apps and the app store.

As far as the other, more speculative, updates, it has been confirmed that the new iPhones will have the capacity to integrate a better MP camera (up to 5 MP), an additional front-facing camera, and GPS capabilities. This has been confirmed through developers with access to the new software. Whether or not Apple decides to implement these features has yet to be seen.

Apple and ATT have both announced that a 3G iPhone would be coming in 2008. Several of the features I listed have been confirmed through the new software available to developers. Regardless, comparing the new Instinct to last year's iPhone is like comparing Apples to Oranges.

I live in the Los Angeles area and I can tell you that on Sprints U720 USB modem I can get speeds which exceed WIFI. WIFI is not accessible in most underground parking garages or in office buildings around the LA or San Francisco areas, you can't get WIFI on a train, no WIFI access in rural areas. WIFI is not nationwide EVDO is.

You can't travel from city to city and maintain the same WIFI connection. You have to search for a WIFI connection, etc. The only reason TMO and ATT push "WIFI" so hard is because they have slow crappy networks!

Again, what's the big deal about multitouch?

Enough said...

As soon as the 3G iPhone hits the streets, the Instinct will be dead in the water. The iPhone will be a better gaming machine than the Instinct is a cellphone.

With iChat running on the iPhone using WiFi, the Instinct won't even be considered in the running. I mean, think of all the millions of individual iPhone chat connections in every corner of the world. It's gonna overload the internet. It's gonna be the tipping point for face-to-face video communications.

I'm not knocking the Instinct. I'm sure it's a cute little smartphone, but please don't consider it a contender for the iPhone crown. I'd almost hate to think if Apple wanted to create the world's finest smartphone what it could do. Apple's got the cash and they got the talent. I'll bet they could build a $800 cellphone with all the best hardware they could fit in a standard size iPhone and they could sell plenty.

"New iPhone will more than likely have built in GPS, 3G, video chat, thousands of third party apps, 5MP camera, Microsoft Exchange push email, App store, and other unconfirmed updates"

As far as I know Apple has not announced that its next generation iPhone will have these features neither did it announce that it is coming up with iPhone 2.0

EVDO REV-A is no WiFi and Multitouch is a real game changer. Sprint is still comparing something that isn't even out yet with last years model. I'd like to see the Instinct vrs. iPhone 2.0 comparo's

Iphone showed a new direction for phones to be like for the future. Kind of like the razr phase for the cell phones. Instinct will be a competitor.

"New iPhone will more than likely have built in GPS, 3G, video chat, thousands of third party apps, 5MP camera, Microsoft Exchange push email, App store, and other unconfirmed updates."

No one knows the fill specs on the instinct so good job talking out your a$$...
As for e-mail client, have you tried the new spritn e-mail client? Rivals the blackberry service. Of course BB e-mail is much better. The winner won't be clear until the phone is released. Sales will say a lot more than specs on a paper.

LOL, Instinct wins the battle against Apple's first gen iPhone (released nearly a year ago), but I think it will have a hard time competing with the new version set to release in a month or so.

New iPhone will more than likely have built in GPS, 3G, video chat, thousands of third party apps, 5MP camera, Microsoft Exchange push email, App store, and other unconfirmed updates.

Also, some things from the first gen iPhone that the Touch will never be able "touch" such as, multi-touch, easliy sync through itunes, hype surrounding its release, and a UI that will be very hard to beat.

Why does it need WIFI when it has EVDO REV-A? Also, the Instinct has full-true GPS from an actual satellite powered by Telenav, not tower triangulation like the iphone. No need for "google maps. Multitouch is nothing special.

No WiFi? No Google Maps? No Multitouch?

GPS locator vs. WiFi locator? Lets see Junes shipping products against one another, and not vapor against first gen.